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SAY CHEESE!
« Thread Started on Jun 8, 2009, 2:21am »

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Assalamualaikum,

Terima kasih kerana forwardkan email ni, setelah membaca mesej ini, isteri terus ke peti sejuk mengambil bungkusan chesdale yang kami beli, To our surprise its contain 'rennet' eventhough it was marked halal by NZ Islamic Processed Food Management.. Entah berapa banyak babi telah kami makan... astaghfirullah haana'adzim. Sesiapa yang ada cara sila panjangkan maklumat ini kepada pihak berwajib.

Terima Kasih..

Email #1

Sharing info on CHEESE which is used most in our local food operators & bakery (melalui Ceramah Ust Badrul Amin) last Sunday @ UIA : Susu memerlukan sejenis bahan yg diperolehi dari perut mamalia (lembu & khinzir) utk membolehkan ianya 'beku' - separa 'beku' dipanggil keju manakala 'beku' jadi 'whey powder'. Both ingredients are used widely in our daily food intake - pizza(s), cheese cakes, tart cheese or anything with cheese, cookies etc. The big Q - even if bahan dari perut 'lembu' being used to make the cheese - how do we know 'lembu' tu disembelih mengikut syariah Islam? How do we know the same 'lembu' being used in our food intake?

Unless, we (muslim) produced our own cheese - is there any in our local market? Pls share.

Conclusion - even tho memang payah, cuz kena explain panjang-lebar ngan my kids, InsyaAllah, Pizza Hut, Domino, anything contains CHEESE - gonna be NO NO from now on.This is not boikot but - menjaga akidah kita, semampu kita, within our control/power kerana ALLAH melalui penjagaan makanan kita yg akan menjadi darah daging.

Email #2

Talking about cheese, as said by ustaz, memang betullah untuk bekukan cheese tu, they need bahan dari perut khinzir atau lembu. Masa di States dulu, I studied Human Nutrition and my Jewish Prof. memang every now and then masa tu kept reminding me to check cheese yang I beli untuk class commercial food production, cos dia jewish pun tak makan khinzir, I mesti pastikan dari ingredients cheese tu yg bahan pembekunya must be pepsinogen [lembu] dan bukan rennet[khinzir] . Kalau di States, 70% cheese guna rennet."

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السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

What do you do when someone tells you something, especially if it's controversial and unusual? Do you believe him/her 100 % without even thinking whether there's any truth in what was said? Don't you think there's a reason why you are given a brain in the first place? And what's the point of your education? Is it just paper chase and for high-paying job? Don't you think you owe to yourself and your humankind to investigate matters before putting them out or before you simply hit the forward button?

I received this email from a friend and there were so many forwarders and recipients using their companies email addresses that I start to wonder how they start their work daily??? We need to realize that not only are we wasting company's resources by spreading untrue messages and rumours but also putting our good names in jeopardy. I also wonder what their management is doing on this matter.

We all know and very familiar that this is not the only food item (cheese in this instance) but there are so many other kinds of food and drinks that are targeted and accused of being questionable (of being non-halal) or that they will make us sick. Although it is good to be safe than sorry and to be careful of what you consume but I wonder how this nation will grow with these kind of people around? Most of the time the the originating source is from someone or some group with a big agenda to taint their enemies or competitors. Conspiracy theory or not look at how they can go around killing businesses and destroying the livelihood of simple folks.

I did a bit of investigation (yes Internet is never a good source, but hey, at least I came up with possibilities and "some truths" rather that spreading a big wholesale lie):

The last sentence of the message said that the Jewish professor told him to be sure that the ingredient to produce the cheese is pepsinogen (bovine) and not rennet (pig) and productions in the states (USA) are 70% using rennet. Let's distinguish between the two (pepsinogen and rennet):

As I found out, Pepsinogen is actually an enzyme found in human and animals. Pepsinogen is a precursor of pepsin; secreted (stored) by the cells of the gastric glands (stomach walls) and converted to pepsin by hydrochloric acid in the stomach during digestion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsinogen

Interestingly, there are three different types of Pepsinogens. In human, they are known as PEPSINOGEN A and PEPSINOGEN C. The other one, PEPSINOGEN B is the name of a pepsinogen FROM PIGS. With this fact, shouldn't we be warned of pepsinogen also? As the food labels might not say A, C, or B..

http://medical.webends.com/kw/Pepsinogens

To to put more spin to my own conspiracy theory, do you know that PEPSI is derived from PEPSIN? Do your own investigation on this.

And now for the big "no-no item" Rennet:

Rennet is also an enzyme produced in any mammalian stomach to digest and coagulate milk. The interesting thing to note here is that the description goes further to say "Rennet or digestion enzymes from other animals, like SWINE-PEPSIN, are NOT USED in cheese production". It also indicated that for the production of cheeses, rennets from RUMINANTS are used instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet

And what are RUMINANTS?

A ruminant is a mammal that digests plant-based food like cattle, goats, sheep, giraffes, American Bison, European bison, yaks, water buffalo, deer, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruminant

Ruminants are even-toed mammals from the mammal order of Artiodactyla. There are three main suborders of Artiodactyla:

1) Family of Ruminantia (the goat and cattle group as metioned above).
2) Family of Tylopoda (the camel group).
3) Family of Suina (the pigs and hippos group).

http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Artiodactyla/

So from these knowledge, how was it that rennets claimed to be derived SOLELY from pigs when it clearly indicated otherwise in Wiki? who's right, who's wrong? Who's trying to educate? who's trying to deceive? Is it possible that we as Muslims are being tricked by our enemies into declaring what is halal to be haram and what is haram to be halal? I think it is possible.

The reason I said this is that, looking at the message and the facts (or so) gathered, they are in opposition of each other.

As what we can see from the investigation:

1) Pepsinogen which is said to be of bovine from the message (and thus halal if slaughtered accordingly), in reality COULD derived from pigs.

2) Rennet which is said to be derived from pigs (and thus haram altogether), in reality are from the group of edible ruminants.

Ambiguous arguments like mine remained questionable.. So if there's still doubts in our hearts, then by all means leave them all untouched (cheese, pizza, coke and whatever have you). We certainly have options in this short life of ours. Live it with the best of our ability to be true derived from educated decisions and using our God-given common sense), Insya Allah we will be guided.

Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir: The Prophet said "Both legal and illegal things are obvious, and in between them are (suspicious) doubtful matters. So who-ever forsakes those doubtful things lest he may commit a sin, will definitely avoid what is clearly illegal; and who-ever indulges in these (suspicious) doubtful things bravely, is likely to commit what is clearly illegal. Sins are Allah's Hima (i.e. private pasture) and whoever pastures (his sheep) near it, is likely to get in it at any moment."

Regards, your brother in Islam,
Aris aka Hamlau

"The problem with Islam today isn't Islam, it's Muslims. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not."

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Yo! berapa kali Abang Hamlau nak bilang, nak ulang, kalau nak tahu cerita mesti tahu tajuknya, kalau tak faham, bertanya. Jangan hentam keromo nanti takut-takut salah tarik; nak tarik ular lidi tertarik naga. Hitam campur putih memang kelabu lah....

Jiplak dari rap M.Nasir pada lagu "Bukalah Hatimu"

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Re: SAY CHEESE!
« Reply #1 on Jun 8, 2009, 7:55pm »

As it turned out, animal rennet must come from the same species of animal as the milk being used in for cheese. Calf-rennet is used to produce cows milk cheese, lamb-rennet produces sheep milk cheese, and kid-rennet to produces goats milk cheese. Each type of animal produces a unique type of rennet to curdle the milk produced by that species. Kid-rennet will not curdle cows milk or turn it into cheese. Unless they found a way to make cheese out of milk from pig, there's no way for them to be using pig-rennet for cheese production from other animals' milk. (Are there pig's cheese? I have not checked). Hence the earlier statement "Rennet or digestion enzymes from other animals, like swine-pepsin, are not used in cheese production."

http://eathalalfood.blogspot.com/2009/01/cheese-contains-rennet-from-pigs.html

We can go somewhat local and look for statements from Singapore's own MUIS:

Rennet, is a type of enzyme which is used in the making of cheese. There are two different types of rennet, namely 'bovine rennet' and 'microbial rennet'. Bovine rennet is extracted from calves, hence rendered as Syubhah. Should the rennet be extracted from a calf that is slaughtered in accordance with the Islamic requirements, then it is deemed as Halal. However, should the rennet be taken from calf not slaughtered according to Syariah, then the rennet is considered as non-Halal. Microbial rennet are generally Halal.

Generally, products bearing a Halal certification mark is suitable for Muslim consumption. Although it contains a 'doubtful' ingredient, do be rest assured that the Islamic body which certifies the product has verified the status of the ingredient. For further assurance, you may contact the Halal certifying body or the product manufacturer.

Wallahu alam. Thanks Sis Atika for sharing.

Salam,
Aris aka hamlau

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